UFO Disclosure: History, Headlines, and Our Perspectives

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We get into UFO disclosure, we talk about everything going back to 1947, going through today's headlines, and then we talk about our thoughts. What's really going on in the UFO community, what's going on with the government, with corporate interests, and it is truly odd.Welcome back, oddballs. I'm Tanner.

I'm Kristen.

And this is truly odd. So this has been making its way around the news again. It flares up every so often, every what, 10 or 20 years.We're talking about UFO disclosure and, well, UFO disclosure in America right now. Recently there's been a lot of stuff in the news. Anna Paulina Luna, the representative from Florida has called for 46 UFO videos to be released.There was a deadline of 4:14. That deadline has been missed and we haven't seen them yet.Former congressman Matt Gates Gotts, I always say his name wrong, is talking about humans being abducted from war zones for breeding and alien hybridization. Tim Burchett from Tennessee is also talking about UFOs.So I wanted to go back through UFO disclosure and just kind of the history of what's been going on in the United States since 1947.

Absolutely. And little bit of a trigger warning. This topic is inherently political.So we just want everyone to keep an open mind while you're listening, get some new information, form your own thoughts and try to take those bits and pieces with a grain of salt.

Yeah, you guys, if you found the episodes or you're listening to the podcast, it's probably, probably because you're open minded. We just ask that you keep that open mindedness. Everybody's got a little bit of a bias. You're probably gonna hear ours come out in the episode.You probably have your own. And we wanna hear about what you think about this as well. So email us@trulyoddpodmail.com if you wanna chime in on the conversation.

Me have an opinion?

Yes.

I've never had an opinion in my life.

We have those. And you and I don't agree on everything either. So this should be thought you were.

Gonna say on anything.

Yeah, most things. No. Yeah, we agree on cats. Broccoli. Good. Miso. Good.All right, so a lot of the way that ufo, I don't want to say disclosure, I want to say like UFO information disinformation and all of the stuff that goes around. This whole alien topic, the mood was set during the Roswell crash in 1947.So I want to start there and just kind of go through some things that have really set the tone for how America and How our government, government handles information, UFO sightings and stuff like that.We're going to do an entire episode on Roswell and most of the things that we're going to touch on in this episode are huge topics that there's no way that we could really cover a lot of these, a lot of times in one podcast episode. But each of these are going to get their own episode. So we're going to breeze through them today and then get into the topic.So starting with Roswell. The Roswell incident is one of the most famous crashes on the planet. It happened back in 1947, July 7th through the 9th.Mac Brazel found a mile long swath of debris on the J.B. foster ranch north of Roswell, New Mexico. The place was just littered with debris. And they talked about this stuff called memory metal.It was a type of metal similar to like aluminum or very thin metal that they could pick up, bend, crumple up and it would immediately spring back to its original state. There was also a metal that they said would turn to liquid similar to mercury that would then regain its properties.People from the area took things from the debris field. They looked around, there were actually two more crash sites found. So that was the debris field.As the craft was flying over the field, it actually made contact, I want to say a mile or two later where two bodies were found. And then there was a third crash site where more bodies were found and possibly a living alien or non human biologic. What made this so special?And a lot of people think of Roswell, New Mexico and it's out in the middle of nowhere. You think of Area 51 and things like that.But at the time, this was just after World War II, the Roswell Army Air Force Base was the home of the 509th Bomb Group. That was the only nuclear bomb group in the world.So when we think about like why crafts and things might be around that area, there was a lot going on there as far as new technology, new ways that we were conducting warfare and, and on the base at the time. It was originally reported that a flying saucer had dropped and had been recovered.

So I wonder, I mean, nuclear power, nuclear energy, Right. It has a very unique energy field, et cetera. Like you would have different readings, different sensors could be triggered by it.Maybe there are some hypotheses or comments that that was easier to be detected. Right. And of higher interest.

Yeah. So the interesting is one of the oldest theories about why we started seeing more alien involvement here.Now there are UFO sightings going back to the 1600s and not just talking about the biblical stuff, the ancient aliens. And we'll do multiple episodes. There was a sighting in the 1600s. It's one of the oldest in modern history where they were flying through.But there's a lot of stuff happening at that time too. There's a theory that these beings from other planets stop in and they're interested the same way we are in how societies and how cultures advance.And whenever there's a new technology or we move up a rung on the ladder, they want to see how that's going to affect our society. Maybe so they can understand their own. That's the way that we look at things.But again, they're aliens, so their thought processes could be totally different than ours. We don't know what their biology is.And most of our drives and how we look at the world and want to understand it, those are dominated by our biological drives.

Sure, a lot of this is conjecture. I mean, we don't know what we don't know. But when you were talking about the nuclear signature and we're seeing more activity, different crafts, etc.Once humans started mucking about with radioactive materials and this, that I'm just having this random flash pop in my head. There's two aliens in a craft and someone's like, here, hold my beer. This just got interesting. And they zoom in.

There's a meme that I really like and it's these aliens and they're up and they're like, hey, they just discovered fire. They turned it into a weapon. Oh, cool. They just discovered they can fly now. They just discovered, oh, it's a weapon. They're moving by sea.It's a weapon. Hey guys, they just discovered how to split the atom. They're gonna have all this energy and space traveling. Oh, no. They turned it into bombs.

Womp, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp.

But it's, it's interesting. Whatever we find, we do turn into a weapon. But there's also like, you can see a nuclear blast from space.So if something is monitoring the planet and they see a nuclear bomb go off, obviously they're like, what's going on there?

What are you doing down there?

Okay, so that's where they are. Let's go check them out. So that's a theory there. There's also a theory that these are not extraterrestrial. They could be transdimensional.Trans temporal us from the future coming back through and doing the whole time traveling archeology thing.

Somebody fix things.

We're Going to do again, putting a pin in that. We'll do entire episodes there. But originally the Army Air Base, I think is what it was called at the time because there wasn't an air force yet.They said that they had found a flying saucer and that they had recovered it. So this stuff with Roswell wasn't the first sighting or UFO encounter in the United States. Earlier that year there was a.There was a boom, like Everybody was seeing UFOs everywhere.And one of the most famous ones was actually a pilot by the name of Kenneth Arnold, who claimed that when he was flying his plane near Mount Rainier in Washington State that he saw nine objects. They were triangular shaped speed past his plane. And he described them like saucers skipping on water.As far as how they're moving, the reporter that reported that mistakenly thought that they were saucer shaped and coined the term flying saucer. So that's where the flying saucer name comes from. But they released that they had found a flying saucer and they had taken it in.Almost immediately the story changed and that debris was flown to, I believe it was Fort Wayne along with Marcel. Jesse Marcel, he was the ranking intelligence officer. I believe he was with osi. And so he was taken to. I think it was Fort Wayne.I don't remember off the top of my head, but it was the base in Texas. There, General Ramey came up with this cover story.The items that were actually collected from the crash site were switched out with pieces of a weather balloon, which was like a foil balloon with pieces of rubber and sticks. When the items themselves were originally found, no one at the base could identify them.So we know that it was not your standard weather balloon, which was the story they went with. So the story changed. They actually took Mac Brazel because he, he went public with it.He was actually going to do a talk at the local radio station and he was picked up by the military and held for days, roughed up and then changed his story and said it was just a weather balloon. I feel comfortable saying that here because that is factual. That's. That's backed up by records and witness statements.Also, something that's super interesting was that Mack was famous for being broke. He didn't. They described him as never having two nickels to rub together after this incident.And he changed his story to yeah, it was just a weather balloon. I made a mistake. I didn't know what I was talking about.He moved to a larger area and suddenly had the money to buy a brand new truck and start a business, which is what he ran for the remainder of his days. So interesting little thing there. But they changed the story.There was another intelligence officer there and then there was another guy brought in to back up the story. And that's when they started strong arming people.They started raiding houses, they started going through people's belongings, looking for pieces of debris that people had taken with them from the crash field to make sure that they had that under locking key and it was out of the public so that their story would stick. And the, the COVID up job that they did there was so good that it stood for 30 years.It wasn't until 1980 when Jesse Marcel, the, the officer there who originally took the debris to Texas spoke out. He just needed the real story to come out.And so he talked to UFO researchers, started coming public with it and that's when other people started talking about it and it started really getting some steam.Journalist researchers started going to Roswell, finding people who were alive at the time, talking to family members, which today I believe the last person who was actually alive at that time has passed. So the only way to get information is actually from family members to see if like they opened up and they told, they told their story to them.And we're going to go deep into Roswell not in this next episode, but the one after.And it is just an amazing story, especially with the strong arm tactics that were used by the military on American citizens there in Roswell to get them to be quiet. There's one in particular. This intelligence officer threatened a 12 year old girl who had been one of the witnesses who saw one of the alien bodies.Said, if you tell anyone, we will kill you and your entire family. She kept her mouth shut and didn't say a word until she was on her deathbed. It was one of the deathbed stories.So that set the mood and the tone for how America handles UFO crash sites.

All these things like, all right, I get it, knowledge is power, information is power. But it always makes me wonder, you talk about, oh, this was covered up, this was hidden, et cetera, et cetera. And all I can think is, but why? Right?

Yeah. So when we're looking at the but why we have to look at what we were doing at the time.There it was right at the end of World War II, there were new shaky alliances. This was the founding of the New World Order.The way that commerce and business and government work together at a global scale with the alliance after the defeat of the Axis.And this is also during the start of the Cold War between America and Russia at the time, a lot of the questions being asked by the intelligence operatives and the people on the ground investigating Roswell was looking at this to see if it was Russian because there were markings. Supposedly, according to ranchers and according to military personnel who were later interviewed, there were markings on some of the.They described them as small metal I beams. It was a metal that they were not familiar with, but it had markings that looked Russian but were not quite Russian.So the question was, do the Soviets have technology that is eons beyond what America has? And especially at the start of the Cold War, we now have nuclear weapons. There's a race for them to get nuclear weapons. Are they a danger to us?And what are these weird little gray guys that we found at the crash site? There's one story from a firefighter who showed up. He told his daughter he was feeling sorry for the little people that he found.He described them as little people.He said there was one that was walking around and obviously distraught over the deaths of all of the other creatures, which I think there were two other creatures in the craft. He described this thing as walking around, about 3 foot tall, a head that's too big for the body, large, large black eyes.And just the description that we think of when we think about the grays. Russians don't look like that to me.

When can we stop fighting with Russia? This has been going on a long time. Let's get over this. Oh, man.

So a lot of stuff happened around this time. We had the Cold War going and we had. This was where the. What is the Homeland Security act was signed into law. It was the rise of the CIA.You had all of these black ops covert operations going on around the world. This is where the Majestic 12 was formed.12 Individuals whose job was to look at these strange phenomena, uap, ufo, and guide public perception of what was going on there. Everything was a secret because anything getting out to the Russians, anything getting out to the Chinese was a threat to our national security.So I think maybe that was probably what they were thinking at the time. We don't know what it is. Hopefully the Ruski's don't know what it is.

But then at some point you have to disclose the information, right? Okay.In that snapshot at that time, they have XYZ fears and concerns and they're trying to make sure that it's not, you know, foreign enemies with ulterior motives, etc. But at some point, like when the Cold War ends or whenever, I mean, pick a point. There's been a Huge lapse of time between then and now.At some point, open up the information.

At some point when you have the information. And this is what I think this is an opinion just based on, like, how I'm seeing people act.Based on my background, I was an investigator for 15 years. I worked subrosa investigations and kind of worked around those people as they came out of the government into the private sector.Those were the people I was working with.

Okay, so not everybody knows what sub rosa is. Why don't you?

Yeah. Sub rosa is under the rose.So back in Roman times, the Roman Senate was a large dome shaped building, and they would have their meetings there, and it was an echo chamber, so everybody in the room could hear what everybody else was saying unless you stood in this one spot under a large rose. The term became sub rosa, and that became the term for covert or clandestine investigations or any sort of COVID work.So, like, I was a sub rosa specialist for the majority of the 15 years that I worked investigations, doing surveillance, undercover work, covert intelligence gathering. And yeah, I keep forgetting that that's not like a normal word in people's lexicon.

No, but I love the little dip into history with the Romans.

Yep. A lot of stuff we do comes from that. Where were we? Oh, right. What I think happens here is they don't know what's going on still.They might just have a little bit more information than we have, but there's also corporate interest, and we'll get to that. But coming out of this, we had several government task forces and military groups that were investigating UFOs.The first one to come out of Roswell was Project Sign, and it was basically Project Blue Book. Sign became Grudge. I think it went through one or two other iterations.And then we got to Blue Book, which is the longest running government investigation into UAPS that we know of. Oh, my God. I started calling them UAPs. Yeah. So Project Blue Book officially ran from 1952 until 1969.They investigated over 12,000 cases, with 702 still remaining unexplained. In 1968 or 1969, the government brought in some scientists to look at what they were doing, to look at UFOs. They said it was all hokum.And Project Blue Book lost its funding.Supposedly, whenever something becomes public like Project Blue Book, I've noticed in the UFO world, it is dismantled, and it's kind of like Blackwater becoming whatever iteration of what it is right now.

It's just shell corporations. You just rebrand.

Yeah, Quick look over there. It basically became Art Atip. And now it's ARO, but that's the government wing that's investigating UFOs right now in the private sector. Out of.Actually out of Project Blue Book on the private sector, we have nicap, which is the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon. They ran from 1956 to 1980. Actually, a lot of what I talk about comes from these. Them and one or two other sources.They were civilian UFO research organization. The board was comprised of scientists and intelligence officers and they acted to counterbalance the official government Air Force statements.So this they. They acted as kind of a civilian counterweight to Project Blue Book, which.Project Blue Book and the scientists associated with that are the ones who gave us the famous swamp gas story. And we'll be covering that. That. That almost ended a scientist career. Nobody bought swamp gas. It's a nice joke in Men in Black too.

Oh yeah, they did. Yeah, I forgot about that.

Good movies, great movies. And those guys, they're the ones that investigated the Barney and Betty Hill case. There's also MUFON.They were founded in 1969 following the closure of Project Blue Book. It's the oldest and longest running UFO organization in the world.They utilize trained field investigators, scientists, former military servicemen and women, and intelligence operatives. And there's Kufos. Kufos was founded in 1973 by Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He's a former consultant to Project Blue Book.It houses probably the most extensive historical archive for UFO and UAP sightings, and it promotes the scientific study of uap. Their stuff, a lot of it is actually closed to you if you're not a journalist or a serious UFO researcher.We have access to some of it and that's actually where I've pulled a lot of the records to, to talk about here on the podcast.So with all of the military, government and corporate interest in UFOs and the public trying to find out what the government knows, slash, what's really going on. There's been a lot of back and forth and this is where we start to get into psyops and cover ups again.Roswell set the tone here, but whistleblowers have come out with Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer from Roswell at the time of the. The Roswell incident. There's also David Grush, he's former intelligence. He talks about some of the reverse engineering they're working on.Bob Lazar, who recently came out with some new stuff in a documentary that I haven't seen yet, but it looks really interesting. He talks about his time at Area 51 and working as a contractor to reverse engineer UFO tech. There's Luis Elizondo, former manager of AATIP.A lot of these guys talk about the same thing and that's the private interest in tech. So you have these companies that are also attached to the UFO phenomenon.You have Bigelow airspace, it's owned by Robert, owned by Robert Bigelow and supposedly was contracted with the DoD and has specialized facilities out in Las Vegas, Nevada for storage of so called black money projects, including possibly some of the wreckage from Roswell, keeping it out in the desert. There's also Lockheed Martin, which if you listen to some of the whistleblowers, could have ties to the Tic Tac they're talking about.That particular craft actually not being alien tech, but that being reverse engineered human technology made by Lockheed Martin. There's also Boeing apparently has some interest in this.I haven't dug into that yet, but it is one of the names that came up when I was doing research and something new called quantum generative materials. They're looking at UFO technology for possible artificial general intelligence application.

But I would imagine any automotive or aerospace that could involve metals that don't get destroyed basically. Right. You have this metal that bounces back. That's pretty cool. And could you imagine if Boeing or I don't know, Mercedes or.Yeah, I'm just picking random names, but if, if one of these producers of crafts had metal that all of a sudden you don't have to worry about repairs, you don't have to worry about. Well, I was gonna say crashes, but evidently that can still take it apart.

Yeah, apparently there's something. So at the Roswell crash, there's actually a theory that an energy weapon was used to bring the craft down.

Hmm.

If we step back a little bit further to Nicholas Tesla, there's some rumors that he, that some of the things that he was working on could be used as an energy weapon and that it was a Tesla like energy weapon that was used to bring the UFO down. Other witnesses do say that the craft was struck by lightning and that's what caused it to crash.

Like Doc Brown. Oh, maybe they got struck by lightning and got sent back to our time.

Yeah, no, we're going to get into all that on the Roswell episode, including the Tesla energy weapons, which will get their own story. But yeah, there's a lot of moving parts in this and that's on purpose. So when I was an investigator and we had an information leak.So like you have whistleblowers coming out or you have Someone in your organization leaking information to the media or a competitive company. What we do is we. We put out a lot of fake information, so flood it. So they don't know what to act on.They don't know what's going to be true, they don't know what's going to be false. They don't understand the plan, so they can't use that information against us. In the UFO world, that's where we get into PsyOps.There's a good chance that some of these whistleblowers, at least, are on the government payroll and are spreading disinformation, because there's a lot of conflicting stories. There's a lot of conflicting data out in the world right now. And that's where all of the conflicting information comes from.You talk about the, we want the truth. Why can't they just tell us the truth? Chances are someone has.But special interests, maybe inside the government or inside the corporate world, have also flooded out all this misinformation out into the world.And now in the disclosure community and the UFO community, you have all this infighting where you have these different factions who are following different whistleblowers who are believing different stories. You have guys with tinfoil hats on their head hiding in their basement from the Reptilians.And you've got these people out in cornfields tanning their taint, trying to talk to the.

That took a turn.

The aliens from Zeta Reticuli and. Yeah, whoa. Yeah, there's a wide swath.

So a little fragmentation in the community. But I was just thinking, like, with everything, I feel like there's a spectrum. Right. So you'll have some folks who are super dubious.There's a lot of scrutiny. They're going to be like, no, I'm suspicious of everything. I'm looking for facts and information and I'm going to be a little more withheld.And then you have the complete opposite end where people are. I don't know where the information or these ideas are coming from, but you know, they are whole hog ready to go.And then other folks are somewhere in the middle.

Yeah, you talk about it being a spectrum and I like using the spectrum from practical application to taint tanning. And that's my new.

I cannot look at you.

We're going to have to get like a red light sponsor.

Oh, my God.But also, I feel like with the news every day currently having these wild stories in it, at this point, I and probably other people are way more open to hearing information, Hypotheses, whistleblower, accounts, etc. About things like. I was going to say UFOs. We can also say what UAPs. It's just reality is so much more bizarre.

Yeah. And I'm not sure if its reality is bizarre or if the reality that we're being shown is so bizarre.

No, I'm just saying I feel like people would be.

Yeah.

Suspicious and. And less likely to. To believe these things. Right. But now even more people are like, well, maybe there's something to this.Maybe like, I feel like brains, minds are opening, like, opening up now because we're. Yeah.

Something that I have had to reconcile is that we live in a world where the QANON guys were halfway. Right. So that. Yeah, the world is a weird place.And with the government opening up and talking about UFOs, this is not the first time in our history that they've done this.The rebranding of UFOs to UAPs to try to get rid of some of the stigma around the term of UFOs, because the smear campaign against those who would come out as whistleblowers or who scientists were taking it kind of seriously.I mean, it ended careers, people were called kooks, things were swept under the rug, and it stayed in a little subsection on the fringe of society where those people who want to control the narrative wanted it. And I know this is sounding super conspiracy theory.Ish, but the documentation's there to back it up is actually in the file, if you're inside of the.The drive thing there, of actual government documents talking about the steps that were taken to discredit scientists who were Openly talking about UFOs and other phenomena at the time. Any whistleblowers or anyone that stepped forward.And when it has served people in power to have a distraction or something, they take the UFO card out, dust it off, and dangle disclosure out in front of the masses. Right now we have it again with the rebranding to get rid of some of the stigma of ufo. Uap. We had it taken out of the drawer. They used it.Then they started discrediting people who were looking into UFOs, trying to discredit whistleblowers again. So some of the stigma was kind of coming back to it, put it in the drawer.And now we have politicians like Anna Paulina Luna who requested those 46 UFO videos be released from the military. Apparently they were shown. The videos show UFOs in the Persian Gulf and around military installations.According to Hegseth, Trump has authorized the release of those videos. And they're Being okay, if we're being honest, they're.They're looking at how much of the files they need to redact before they put them out and how many of the videos need to not go out to the public.Because keep in mind, even though I agree with very, very, very little of what our government does, if anything, any sort of video or photos showing sensitive areas of a military base. Yeah, that does not need to go out into the public. That's a national security issue.That could be the reasoning of, you know, holding off on putting those videos and stuff out. The deadline for that was 4:14. They missed that. Apparently they're still going through it. But we also have the missing scientists.So the last count, I believe we were up to 11 missing scientists and one general who had ties to propulsion technology, UFOs and weapons in the United States. And there's some missing in China too.Now, I don't think all of these scientists are connected to the same thing, but the disappearance of General Neil McCasland from back in February, I think it was February 27th, is strange because it looked like he just bugged out. The only thing that was missing was his.38 revolver and his boots. He went missing from Albuquerque, New Mexico, and nothing has been seen of him.There's also Monica Reza. I hope I'm saying that right. I probably butchered that name. She was the director of NASA's Material Processing Group.She went missing from a hike in June of, I think 23. And a little bit before that, Amy Elskridge. Amy Elskridge. She was actually working on gravity modification technology.Supposedly died by suicide four weeks after telling a friend. Let's see. I have the exact text she texted a French intelligence officer. If you see any report that I've killed myself, I most definitely did not.If you see any report that I overdosed myself, I most definitely did not. If you see any report that I killed anyone else, I most definitely did not. And then she supposedly killed herself.

And who had that notice or message or whatever?

A French intelligence officer, Frank Milburn.

So she had handed it to him beforehand, texted him. Oh, yeah.

I also saw some of her videos on her social media. She publicly said she believed that they were coming after.Now, there were some things in there that were kind of extreme that I'm not sure about, but it is sketchy. And we'll again do an episode on this.Every time someone's working on anti gravity or zero point energy, they have a habit of either dying or disappearing.

It just seems like sloppy though. If someone is Going to that length to say I am of sound mind, et cetera, blah, blah, blah, blah. If anything happens to me, it wasn't by my hand.And then to do something super obvious.

Have you been watching the news recently? These are not intelligent people.

I was gonna say subtle, but yes, subtle. Yeah.

Okay. These are not subtle people.

Ugh.

Good God. Most recently, the UFO community lost David Wilcock at 53. Boulder Police responded to an incident at 11:02am on 420 26.The dispatch came in as a mental health crisis. Officers said he used a weapon on himself. He shot himself when they arrived and actually did that in front of officers. So that was another one that.There's a lot of stories FL around out there about, about this being some sort of COVID up of somebody else being there. But this is one that actually looks like what it is. He apparently was struggling with some mental health problems and crushing debt.He did have one friend who is really pushing that this was not a suicide, that he would not have shot himself. But again, evidence on this one is pretty. I don't want to say open and shut, but I mean that one's.I don't think that this had anything to do with UFOs. I think unfortunately this was just a mental break and he lost his life and lost his battle with mental illness.And again, like 11 scientists with reported connections to UFOs have gone missing. There was one other and I can't remember his name.He was a contractor working at nuclear facilities and he was last seen leaving his house with a small firearm and has not been seen since. Very similar to McCasland. So do I think some of these are related and some of these are the government trying to cover things up? Absolutely.This is what they do. Do I think all of them? No, but there's a.There's a lot of interest in this topic both from the public and from the government, slash the corporations that run them. Anyway, what do you think?

It'll be interesting to see when it's actually released.I do think something that's come up that you and I have talked about before, along with plenty of other people when you're trying to investigate something, especially if it's something like this cover ups. You follow the money, you look at the money, right? If you're doing, what is it?Forensic accounting and looking at departments and there's just like a black hole where this money disappeared into. Like that's where you need to look because the math can't lie. People are fallible.

Yeah. No, I agree. Follow the money My thought in this is that we're not going to get any sort of real disclosure. It's been dangled before, like I've said.But this is kind of a look at, kind of a look at disclosure through the ages and just kind of our thoughts on it.

Well, and to play devil's advocate, I'm sure there are some people who say what's too much information, you know, for the, for the safety of people, for the, you know, the preservation of X, Y and Z, blah, blah, blah. So you do have some folks who may have dubious eyebrows.They may be coming into this from an intended good place where they're trying to protect people or beings. I mean, who knows? It's hard to say. A lot of this is conjecture. We don't know what we don't know.

I don't know.When I look at some people who are talking about this on the public stage, especially when we're talking about politicians and stuff, what I'm seeing is distraction. Hey, look at my right hand while my left hand's reaching into your pockets to take some cash or some rights away from you.

What are you doing in my pockets?

Yeah, that's really more of what I'm looking at when I see politicians involved in really championing this recently. Follow the money. Yeah, I like what you said. Follow the money. Who's making money off of this? The companies who are doing research into the tech.The companies who are then reverse engineering it and selling it back to the government or to the people. You said, how great would it be to have that material that fixes itself? Yeah, I will find it and I will put it down in the show notes.I can't remember the actual name of it, but we've already done that. So the bendable frame glasses, they're metal frames. You can sit on them, stand back up and they pop back to their original shell.That is supposedly from whistleblowers. An early attempt to reverse engineer memory metal. Not as good, but still had commercial use.

Right.And my attempt with the devil's advocate thing, or wait, my aim for looking at it from different sides was to say, all right, well, huge benefit of the doubt, someone is trying to protect people by, you know, refraining, you know, not releasing all of the information all at the same time or, you know, whatever. Sometimes you hear things like, oh, we have to protect people from themselves. Whether or not you agree with that, perhaps it is well meant.But then on the other end you have the whole like, no, people are just trying to make money because humans are crap. And we want to make a buck anywhere we can. So follow the money.

I think I want to say it was Jimmy Carter.He campaigned saying that a big part of what he wanted to do was find out where the aliens are and find out the truth about that and that he would let it out. There's a story that when he was, when he found out the truth, he cried and would not release it.And I think said something like, it is too earth shattering too.

Oh, man. Now I want to know what was it?

Honestly, I think it's something like our entire existence in this universe is absolutely meaning we are meaningless, we are totally alone, and there is no higher power out there actually looking up, looking down on us. We're either part of this massive intergalactic community or we're just part, a very insignificant part of a much larger organism.

Toenail clippings.

Toenail clippings. I think it's probably going to end up being something like that again. That's just, that's, that's conjecture.Yeah, I, I am also, keep in mind, I am a horror writer and I do cosmic horror and stuff. And that is basically, that is based on the, the premise that we are bacteria to the actual beings that inhabit the universe.

Yeah.

But anyway, yeah, people could be looking out for, for the best interest.There's, you hear it a lot where they're like, oh, if, if we found out that we weren't alone in our, our universe, religion would collapse and society would collapse. But I think that we're at a point where we are past that. I think that was true a while ago.

I think it depends on the person. Right.So could there be someone in power who thinks, okay, we found out there's aliens, we're not alone in the universe, and that then discredits organized religion to some or all extent. Blah, blah, blah.Could that elicit a response like, I want to cry, I want to keep this from people because it will be a collapse of society, et cetera. Like, yeah, I could see that. Whereas there are other people who are like, no, I want to know. Like, why wouldn't you want to know?And there could even be folks who are highly religious that then find a way to make it all work together. We don't know because we don't have all the information.

The Catholic Church is already working on that. It's like, hey, what do we do if we're not alone in the universe?They're actually working on the assumption, the likelihood, the mathematical statistical likelihood that we are not alone in the universe and they're trying to make that jive with beliefs. Does that actually change anything about Catholic or Christian beliefs?

Interesting.

And what could the fallout there be? Or what is their role as the church in a galactic community? What is. And God's advocate here, what would his role be with other worlds?

I feel like that's such a healthier stance to take. Right.It's like, I mean, it's what I do all day, risk mitigation and strategies and like, all right, if this and how likely is it, what size is the impact? And then what do I do? What could we do to mitigate this risk?Or how would we continue to function and move forward given the new information or the new situation? It keeps you going.

I will say their main concern there seems to be leaning more toward how do we keep the flock from falling into complete despair.

Right.

And I think that's a good way to come at it.

Absolutely.

So there, I mean there are people out there who are looking at for like what, what, how is this going to spiritually and emotionally affect humans? I am not a religious person, I'm just going to put that out there.But there are absolutely those power players who are like, let's take this technology, let's patent this crap and let's make as much money as possible. Let's jack up the prices of insulin and do whatever we can.

Politics and religion, man, these are the two big areas, big power areas, big money areas. Right. And people meld their identities right in, in these, I'm saying. Right. A lot. But yeah, right, right.But people really craft their identities to the core in these two arenas. So. Yeah.All right, so the UFO stuff not being disclosed, most likely because opportunity for financial gain and potentially for safeguarding people's well being and, or continuing to have control over them.

And keep in mind in the disclosure community there are multiple factions. So it's possible that there's some of all of this happening.Actually, very likely there's some of all of this happening when we're doing an investigation into something like a conspiracy inside of a company. I have done this at the government level.Whenever we're looking into something where there are multiple truths and there are conflicting facts in the case, it muddies the water and it makes it very, very difficult to get to the bottom of the actual truth. And at the end of the investigation, there's enough usually to move forward with an idea of what's happening, but it's never 100%.That's why a lot of that stuff never goes to court. It ends up just being a. We're gonna force these people to resign, get the problem out of the building and deal with it.Because we've identified the players. Getting to the truth in situations like this is damn near impossible. I want to do it though. With that said.

Yes. But that's what kicks off and drives us for having some interesting conversations. Yeah.

And this will be the last episode we do for a while that's based on a concept or something. These are hard to do. We did Dark Oxygen before we did just Disclosure is this large, broad topic today, especially the next few episodes.We're going to get back into specific events with things to. To talk about. So it'll be a bit more. A bit more like a standard podcast episode.I do like getting into these bigger, like idea topics like disclosure, like what do we think is going on in the UFO community?

So I do want to stop provoking. Yeah. And we absolutely want to hear your thoughts too.

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